Does anyone know how I can get myself a copy of Den Simms´ book on FZ:s ´88-tour called "Project documentation" ? Pleeeeze I´m desperate for a copy !!!
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:25:27 +0100, Anders Larsson
<lars...@algonet.se> wrote: >Does anyone know how I can get myself a copy of Den Simms? book on FZ:s >?88-tour called "Project documentation" ? Pleeeeze I?m desperate for a >copy !!!
A much better book to get would be those home-manufactured/printed Zappa encyclopedias known as Zappalog....made my some fans in Germany, from what I've heard.
But some people also heard an "invasion" from Mars...so take that with a grain of salt. :-)
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On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:59:43, nau...@mbox300.swopnet.se (Jon Naurin) wrote:
>>>Does anyone know how I can get myself a copy of Den Simms? book on FZ:s >>>?88-tour called "Project documentation" ? Pleeeeze I?m desperate for a >>>copy !!!
>>A much better book to get would be those home-manufactured/printed >>Zappa encyclopedias known as Zappalog....made my some fans in >>Germany, from what I've heard.
>Have you seen "Project Documentation", Miggy? It's one of the most impressive >works on FZ I've read, but I haven't seen the Zappalog, so I cannot >compare.
No....I haven't seen it anywhere.....but I am not an active CD/Record trade show fanatic, which means that I don't care too much about those kinds of fan items, etc.
But the Zappalog.....if it were affordable to fans, I wouldn't discount the hypothesis of examining it .....to decide whether it was worth the price. But it's out of production...and has been so for several years - no thanks to Rhino Records, of course.
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In article <34767493.191...@news.total.net>, mf...@bigfoot.com wrote: > On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:59:43, nau...@mbox300.swopnet.se (Jon Naurin) > wrote: > >Have you seen "Project Documentation", Miggy? It's one of the most impressive > >works on FZ I've read, but I haven't seen the Zappalog, so I cannot > >compare.
> No....I haven't seen it anywhere....
And yet you have no problem declaring the "Zappalog" to be a superior work. Odd.
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Jon Naurin wrote: >Have you seen "Project Documentation", Miggy? It's one of the most >impressive works on FZ I've read, but I haven't seen the Zappalog, so >I cannot compare.
There's no comparison, as the two projects are completely different. _Zappalog_ is little more than a discography covering Zappa's entire career through 1981 (2nd edition). "Project Documentation" is an exhaustive, day-by-day account of the 1988 tour--or so I understand; I don't have a copy either!
On 22 Nov 1997 14:50:58 GMT, biffysh...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote:
>There's no comparison, as the two projects are completely different. >_Zappalog_ is little more than a discography covering Zappa's entire >career through 1981 (2nd edition). "Project Documentation" is an >exhaustive, day-by-day account of the 1988 tour--or so I understand; >I don't have a copy either!
And we know you don't have a copy of Lenny Bruce's "Berkeley" Vf either. You must be spending all your money in one place... let's see.... you spent your entire salary on Christmas shopping ?! :-P
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Miguel Amorim wrote: >On 22 Nov 1997 14:50:58 GMT, biffysh...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote: >>"Project Documentation" is an >>exhaustive, day-by-day account of the 1988 tour--or so I understand; >>I don't have a copy either!
>And we know you don't have a copy of Lenny Bruce's "Berkeley" Vf >either. You must be spending all your money in one place... let's >see.... you spent your entire salary on Christmas shopping ?! :-P
Apparently Miggy is under the impression that Den Sims' "Project Documentation" is something you can just walk into a store and buy. In reality it is a privately compiled, unpublished (and reportedly still unfinished) document. My reason for pointing out that I don't actually have a copy is that I don't want to pretend to have first-hand knowledge of something when I do not. What's "Vf" supposed to mean?
On 23 Nov 1997 14:10:52 GMT, biffysh...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote:
>>>"Project Documentation" is an >>>exhaustive, day-by-day account of the 1988 tour--or so I understand; >>>I don't have a copy either!
>>And we know you don't have a copy of Lenny Bruce's "Berkeley" Vf >>either. You must be spending all your money in one place... let's >>see.... you spent your entire salary on Christmas shopping ?! :-P
>Apparently Miggy is under the impression that Den Sims' "Project >Documentation" is something you can just walk into a store and buy. >In reality it is a privately compiled, unpublished (and reportedly still >unfinished) document. My reason for pointing out that I don't actually >have a copy is that I don't want to pretend to have first-hand knowledge >of something when I do not. What's "Vf" supposed to mean?
Sorry. I made a stupid typo. It was intended to be "CD"... Anyway, I often type purely by reflex or memory at an "extraordinary speed". v+f is right adjacent on my keyboard to c+d.
First Biffyshrew wrote: > >>"Project Documentation" is an > >>exhaustive, day-by-day account of the 1988 tour--or so I understand; > >>I don't have a copy either!
Then Miguel:
> >And we know you don't have a copy of Lenny Bruce's "Berkeley" Vf > >either. You must be spending all your money in one place... let's > >see.... you spent your entire salary on Christmas shopping ?! :-P
So Biffyshrew responded:
> Apparently Miggy is under the impression that Den Sims' "Project > Documentation" is something you can just walk into a store and buy. > In reality it is a privately compiled, unpublished (and reportedly still > unfinished) document. My reason for pointing out that I don't actually > have a copy is that I don't want to pretend to have first-hand knowledge > of something when I do not. What's "Vf" supposed to mean?
Den Simms still owes me money/Society Pages-issues. So, if you ever read it Den: fuck you. Same goes to Rob Samler. Having said that, I hope they will one day resurface and finish the projects. They owe it to themselves, us and most of all FZ.
I understand that both Zappalog and Project Documentation are worth getting, as well as Torchum Never Stops. All three are not or no longer available. I don't have any of these, but there must be people out there who have one or more. It might make a nice web site, don't you think? Uhm, this probably is the project that Vladimir Sovetek has been working on for the last couple of years. Anyway, it was just a thought.
Antal Adriaanse wrote: >Den Simms still owes me money/Society Pages-issues. So, if you ever >read it Den: fuck you. Same goes to Rob Samler. Having said that, I hope >they will one day resurface and finish the projects. They owe it to >themselves, us and most of all FZ.
Yeah, well, they owe a lot of us money. That's just what happens with these fanzines that disappear with their extensions waving in the moonlight. It's amusing to me to recall how scathing these guys were about Mother People. Even after the last issue they published--three and a half years ago--they were still promising that they wouldn't "pull a Mother People--now or ever."
In fact, most of the info on this page is derived from a xerox copy of "Project Documentation," as well as Den's listing of album sources from Society Pages. "PD" (at least the incarnation that I have) mostly consists of a listing of show dates, locations, and setlists, along with transcriptions of most of the secret word jokes and other comments from the shows (except for those shows for which Den couldn't find tapes).
> In fact, most of the info on this page is derived from a xerox copy > of "Project Documentation," as well as Den's listing of album sources from > Society Pages. "PD" (at least the incarnation that I have) mostly consists of > a listing of show dates, locations, and setlists, along with transcriptions > of most of the secret word jokes and other comments from the shows (except > for those shows for which Den couldn't find tapes).
> Pat Buzby > Hyde Park, IL
So what's in Project Documentation that isn't on your page? Just details of how and where each secret word was used?
Charles Ulrich writes: >In article <65n4kh$...@news.cc.oberlin.edu>, spb0...@alpha.cc.oberlin.edu wrote: >> In fact, most of the info on this page is derived from a xerox copy >> of "Project Documentation," as well as Den's listing of album sources from >> Society Pages. "PD" (at least the incarnation that I have) mostly consists of >> a listing of show dates, locations, and setlists, along with transcriptions >> of most of the secret word jokes and other comments from the shows (except >> for those shows for which Den couldn't find tapes).
>> Pat Buzby >> Hyde Park, IL >So what's in Project Documentation that isn't on your page? Just details >of how and where each secret word was used?
Each setlist comes with a section titled "Noteworthy aspects, lyric mutations, etc", which contains most every little deviation from the norm - such as secret word usage and complete transcriptions of onstage routines and monologues, and even some musical analyses of unusual improvisations.
There's also a listing of every song played with analysis of the arrangements, and a partial list of songs rehearsed but not performed. One section contains newspaper clippings and photos (which don't come out very well xeroxed). And some various tidbits with more or less relevance to the '88 tour, such as a Zappa quiz (the one that's on Vlad's page, I think) and some facts about the Simms/Mother People feud.
All in all, a very impressive piece of work, IMO (pardon my Portuguese).
- Jon
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> > In fact, most of the info on this page is derived from a xerox copy > > of "Project Documentation," as well as Den's listing of album sources from > > Society Pages. "PD" (at least the incarnation that I have) mostly consists of > > a listing of show dates, locations, and setlists, along with transcriptions > > of most of the secret word jokes and other comments from the shows (except > > for those shows for which Den couldn't find tapes).
> > Pat Buzby > > Hyde Park, IL
> So what's in Project Documentation that isn't on your page? Just details > of how and where each secret word was used?
> --Charles
> P.S. How do you spell "interchange"?
Hello there ...
As soon as I get my hands on Project Documentation, I thought I´d make a homepage out of it. What do you think ?
Biffyshrew writes: >Jon Naurin wrote: >>[...] and some facts about the Simms/Mother People feud. >Ooh, I'd like to read his side of that saga...
Den's? I could type it in if I find the time, but it's pretty much text - mr Simms seems like a verbose kind of guy.
- Jon
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Jon Naurin (nau...@mbox300.swopnet.se) wrote: : Charles Ulrich writes:
: >In article <65n4kh$...@news.cc.oberlin.edu>, spb0...@alpha.cc.oberlin.edu wrote: : and a partial list of songs rehearsed but not performed. One section contains : newspaper clippings and photos (which don't come out very well xeroxed). And : some various tidbits with more or less relevance to the '88 tour, such as a : Zappa quiz (the one that's on Vlad's page, I think) and some facts about the Yes, correct, the quiz number two with my modest entertainment additions. For this Xmass I hoping to present Den's quiz number 1 for you all to enjoy. But attention!-)) it isn't solemn promise:-)) I just hope to find some time for it:-))) --- Vladimir Sovetov | Kuzbassprombank
Anders Larsson (lars...@algonet.se) wrote: : Charles Ulrich wrote:
: > : > : > P.S. How do you spell "interchange"?
: Hello there ...
: As soon as I get my hands on Project Documentation, I thought I´d make a : homepage out of it. What do you think ? Great idea! I always want to find time on this project. --- Vladimir Sovetov | -Arf she said
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